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welcome everybody to pay ray do tonight

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is March 11th 2018 at Sunday night it's

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back on tonight you know I mean I

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haven't been on the radio a lot lately

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did the show last week with marylin and

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Dick Carlson that was a great show

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talking about their research all over

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archeological digs fun stuff like that

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but tonight I thought I'd jump on to

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we're gonna have on guest Allison Jorn

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Lande in a second here talk about some

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updates and news on a possible Mothman

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sightings in Chicago so it's kind of a

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quick news update I was on I was doing

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some office work today and she came

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across live on Facebook and she did a

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great show a few weeks back with

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Jennifer and Kevin Malick on parallel

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universe also heard on inception radio

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network Friday nights at 11:00 p.m.

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Eastern I thought I could grab her she's

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gonna be on in a sec with me talk about

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her research a little bit and talk about

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this news because there's been a lot of

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area the last several months with a

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flying entity there's no there's no

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she's not denying her and she's doing

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the research he's not gonna say there's

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one she's gonna she's very skeptical I

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like her research approach but before we

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out so i'm gonna get to our guests bio

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here alison Jorn lynn is a recipient of

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the milwaukee paranormal conferences

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2016 wisconsin researcher of the year

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award alison sherman has also been

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investigating hauntings and other

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strange phenomena for over 20 years

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inspired by chicago's richard crow who

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kick-started the US ghost tourism in

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1973 she developed Milwaukee's first

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haunted history tour in 2008 since then

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Alison had led numerous haunted history

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tours and presented talks on very

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variety of 14 topics poltergeists UFOs

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cryptid demonic possessions etc alison

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has been featured on TV radio and in

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print and has contributed research to

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books articles podcasts she frequently

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investigate historical buildings

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providing witness interviews and

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archaeal arc arch-rival research to

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facilitate their efforts while Ellison

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thanks for coming on in such short

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Hey thanks for having me on I really

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appreciate the opportunity no problem

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you know we'll do a full show down the

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road to where we can get you on it and

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dig deeper into your research but I was

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on Facebook a little earlier today you

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know and I came across you live in

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Chicago there in the streets so did you

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get an end up getting a report who do

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you want to tell our listeners a little

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what happened yeah so if your listeners

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may not know it I have a youtube channel

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and you can visit it right now right now

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at youtube.com slash Mothman and I

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started this YouTube channel back in

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summer this past summer of 2017 because

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there were so many sightings being

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reported of a Mothman type creature a

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flying humanoid seen in the Chicagoland

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area and I live in Milwaukee Wisconsin

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so it's not it's not I mean it's a track

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for me but it's not undoable I mean it's

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certainly something that's within the

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realm of possibility and I'm like if I

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consider myself a 40 and researcher then

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I better get my boots on the ground and

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see what I can see so I started going to

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all the the different sightings that

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were reported to lund Strickler of the

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Phantom's and monsters blog and at that

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time he had a really nice map explaining

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were reported and so I went to each of

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the different sites and then would read

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the report giving you giving him credit

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and giving in any of the other

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researchers on it credit as well every

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single time and but then also giving

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people you know more of a view of each

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of the locations so it's not just

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description that you read but you really

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can see hey where was this thing sighted

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and what can I walking in the footsteps

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of the witnesses so that's what I

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started doing back in back in summer

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initially in April 2017 and but there

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sightings and share them on Facebook

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live and then upload what I was able to

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see on youtube youtube.com slash Mothman

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now unfortunately what I discovered is

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there are discrepancies in a lot of the

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reports where the witness will report

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one thing and then you check into you

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know some of the details that are

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provided by going to the site and maybe

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phases of the Moon and stuff like that

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and you find out that hey these things

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aren't matching up so that's that's what

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started my purpose and I'm really sorry

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to have to do that because you know I

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was really enamored with the Phantom's

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and monsters blog and I was really just

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elated when I started doing the videos

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and then LAN Strickler included them on

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his map so every sighting that would

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come up when I would go make a video I

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would let him know and then he just put

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it on his map so that was really great

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five hundred thousand people had viewed

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that map so I'm sure it's a it's an

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access of that but now that map is gone

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and Ilan Strickler is really trying to

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clamp down on the details that he's

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providing and this is largely because I

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have expressed skepticism but not only

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me a number of other wonderful

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researchers as well have been you know

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jumping on it because hey you know we

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if something this strange is going on to

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the point of where you have in excess of

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60 reports you know I mean you can't

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expect local researchers not to want to

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look into this and you know that's what

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we're doing I mean that's what I thought

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were supposed to be doing but you know

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when when our when our ideas about what

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was going on didn't match up with his

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well that that led to some flak and like

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you know now in his website he accuses

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people he's well he says he says any use

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of the witness information which

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witness or persons involved in an event

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is strictly prohibited without the

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written consent of phantoms and monsters

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and/or its associates so he took down

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his map so that he wouldn't he wouldn't

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have to divulge or you know that he

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wouldn't give too much information so

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that people can follow up on the claims

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and you know then he puts threatening

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messages like that there's there's also

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another one where he says you know that

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there's a certain code of fair use and

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that if you are

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attempting to follow up on these things

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well you don't have the right to do that

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which is not true I mean I mean

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paranormal that the paranormal belongs

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to everyone

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it sure does yeah and so I just what I

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began again today is started you know my

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really cold one that I did back in I

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following up on one of the latest

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reports and so then I just started

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getting back into it today where there's

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a few new reports and so I went to the

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site of a report on February 2nd which

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occurred February 2nd on of 2018 and so

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that's where I went today so it is of

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course my intention to follow up on all

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of these that I can and if any witness

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wants to come forward

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well I encourage them to do so yes I am

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going to check what you say against the

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facts that doesn't mean that I'm out to

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get you

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it just means that you know I I can't

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say that all of these accounts are

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genuine if there's certain facts basic

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facts that don't match up and I think

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you know that's not not to say that I

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don't respect witnesses I certainly do

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and I understand how difficult it is to

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be a witness because I've had my own

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sightings of strange things and it's

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really hard to talk to people about them

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but once again I mean if if what you're

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telling me does not match up with

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reality then I can't stand by what

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you're saying and I don't think that's

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an insult right right

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Allison Oh is there a place that people

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can contact you if they see anything

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strange around that area as they do have

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an email or like online yeah certainly

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you you can actually reach me online at

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Milwaukee ghosts calm

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and I do have a hotline as well I'm a 40

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and researcher so if you just if you

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just a you know type in the phone number

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for one for 40 and fo RT EA n you will

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get me so that that should be easy for

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people to remember and actually I don't

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remember the numbers of the phone number

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myself so if you just type in 401 440

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and fo are tean you'll get me and I and

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I'm just putting it out there because I

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think witnesses have a right to decide

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who they talk to if they talk to LAN

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Strickler initially because his blog is

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quite popular I mean that doesn't mean

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they have to stop there you're not gonna

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get in trouble by sharing your story so

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don't feel like like this latest

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controversy well well do anything to you

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legally because you know any attempt to

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you know try to try to claim a witness

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data for yourself is just bunk and it

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doesn't I don't think it serves a

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paranormal community no it's it's

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there's no paranormal unity there and

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you know there's nothing like a second

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opinion we do it for doctors all the

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time you know absolutely and that's all

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that I'm trying to do and other

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researchers are trying to do and my

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point is not you know not trying I'm not

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going on my way to discredit witnesses

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you know but what you have to do is do

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due diligence it is what it is because

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that all the Chicago Mothman reports our

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bunk I'm not saying that because I know

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you know from people in my own family

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that there have been strange flying

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creatures cited in local skies and I

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reported on some of these cases you know

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way back in in 2002 actually you know

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the reports happened you know they

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proceeded 2002 but they were picked up

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by Loren Coleman in his earliest book

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about the

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man at that time when the the Mosman

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movie when Richard was Richard Gere came

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on he Lauren published a book and he has

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one of the accounts of a like a

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pterodactyl type creature that's been

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seen repeatedly in Wisconsin and I was

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able to interview a few of the witnesses

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to that and then subsequently even and

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what a t-mike MetroPCS in the iPhone se

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for $0 on a network that covers 99% of

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people in the US impressive play with

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the best switch to metro pcs and an

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unlimited LTE plan and get a 32 gig

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iPhone se for $0 MetroPCS covers not

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available in some areas plus sales tax

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claim based on talking text not

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knowledge or active numbers currently on

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the t-mobile network directive on metro

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pcs in the past 90 days C store for

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details and terms conditions in 2006

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around the La Crosse area there were

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sightings okay so I'm not saying that

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strange things aren't sighted and you

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know there's just when you go back into

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folklore and into like Native American

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belief for example the Thunderbird comes

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into play and this is what perhaps

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people are citing you know the

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Thunderbird is something that was

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reported by different nations you know

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throughout Illinois and Wisconsin so

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these First Nations people have had

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experiences like this you know going

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back for you know hundreds if not

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thousands of years so I'm not saying

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that nothing strange is cited but what I

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am saying is if you just accept anybody

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that calls in and just take their

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reports as as you know gospel and and

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start and put them up on your blog

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without doing any checking I think

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you're not serving the paranormal

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community because you are muddying the

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waters and and anybody that is trying to

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cover up what is happening

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could easily do so because if you know

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there is so much noise to signal ratio

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then you're not going to be able to tell

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what is authentic I mean this is this is

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how disinformation and misinformation

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policies by government agencies for

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example this is how they work by just

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filling the field with all kinds of

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nonsense and then you know you're you

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can't tell what's real and what's made

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up so that's why I'm like dude we we we

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have to we have to be researchers and we

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have to you know if something doesn't

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smell right and it doesn't the facts

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don't match up we can't stand behind it

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we have to say we at least have to you

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don't put it up there with some caveats

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to people and that that's not what's

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happening and we can't we can't shut

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down on you a research because you know

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we want to hold on to it as our thing

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you know the Chicago Waze man does not

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belong to lund Strickler or any other

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researcher and especially not to

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somebody who hasn't been to any of the

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sites and lives in Pennsylvania right

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right right you know a long time ago I

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had Jeff Wamsley on my show if you

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remember him from he ran I think the

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museum out in out in Virginia there oh

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yeah yeah he talked about the Mothman

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you know the original Mothman and stuff

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and did some research on it but that was

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that was like when I was pretty raw on

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the radio and brand-new but he did it he

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did a great show on and it was awesome

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and and you're right about researching

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too I have a research team in Wisconsin

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we do the UFOs and we're all former

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MUFON people MUFON doesn't own the skies

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anybody can research you know anybody

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can do their research I mean it isn't

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just move on you can report to there's

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other other small entities but you know

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we need to work together with the big

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ones to you know write as a team and I I

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couldn't agree more and and one of the

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people that's been very skeptical of the

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Chicago Mothman sightings is Samer Anto

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who is the director of Illinois MUFON

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and he's he's one of the

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people that that I've talked to you

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about this and and he's done a lot of

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digging into all of these different

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cases and yeah I mean why do you think

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we are doing this is because we care

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about the paranormal we are not trying

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to be cynics that is not what a skeptic

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does I mean there are people who are

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they just reject these kind of phenomena

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out of hand I'm not one of those people

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and and either it's Amaranto where

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people that know that extraordinary

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things do happen and that they're an

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important part of human experience but

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we also know there's whole killers and

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there are people trying to discredit the

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whole field we know that that cynics

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have have done so like like James Randi

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I mean he has perpetrated hoaxes on

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purpose to make researchers in the field

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look bad and so we can't we can't have

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can't have paranormal investigators out

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there who are not doing paranormal

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investigations if you want to

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investigate that investigate don't don't

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just want to believe so much that you

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put anything out there I mean that's not

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what we want I mean that's interesting

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and if you have a blog for example you

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know you need content but I I just think

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you gotta be a little bit more

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discriminating about what you take oh

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yeah I I agree and some people become so

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money focused money motivated thinking

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they're gonna make thousands off the

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you know I'm a teacher as well and you

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don't go into teaching to be rich and

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famous and and you don't do paranormal

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investigation because you want to be

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rich and famous

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so I think there's a conflict of

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interest here that's occurring and I I

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do want to talk about it I do want to

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draw people's attention to it

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that's why even though I've been

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attacked you know by these by

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researchers you know that I've mentioned

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and those in league with with certain

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researchers I'm gonna keep talking

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because I think if you shut it down

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that's - that's draconian that is not

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leading to anything positive you might

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not like what I say but I think you

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probably support my right to say it so

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that we can have a diversity of opinions

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on these things so you know I'm excited

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that these Mothman sightings have

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continued the latest one it was February

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2nd in 2018 and that's the one I did

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today and now there are there are even

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more recent ones that are occurring in

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and near Wisconsin so I'm excited about

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visiting those locations because you

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yeah and like I said any other

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researcher is is welcome here to

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corroborate or you know to to deny you

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know I you gotta be open to that you

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have to you have to be open other

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people's perspectives and if something

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I'm saying does not match up then hold

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me accountable that's what we need to do

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for each other and it's really really

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hard but it's so important right right

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so with these latest reports what are

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you seeing what is there anything in

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common between the reports at all you

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need me an overall overall let's just go

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over all yeah anything well the the way

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the creature is described is pretty much

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consistent as it's a thin lanky figure

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that's about six to six and a half maybe

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seven feet tall and has about a 10-foot

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wingspan and some people report like

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glowing red eyes that are very prominent

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you know some people have like I feel

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fear associated with their sighting or

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like extreme dread so you know a lot of

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these things are similar to the Mothman

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sightings in Point Pleasant from 1967 to

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or 1966 to 1967 there are some that are

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completely don't seem to be a Mothman

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there there are reports of you know

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people just seeing red lights or seeing

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seeing more of a craft and that's been

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lumped in with Mothman you know just to

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kind of round out the reports which I

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don't I think you got to watch that too

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I mean that's if you're having a

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different type of phenomena you can't

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just be like oh everything's flying

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humanoid now and or everything's Mothman

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because one of the things that was

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reported was a green insectoid creature

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so you know I'm not sure what is related

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here and what isn't and I think that's

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that's kind of the problem and one of

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the other commonalities is that in a lot

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of the accounts the the the prose the

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text is very creative writing esque and

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that's alarming because if you read

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MUFON reports which I'm sure you have

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all the national UFO Reporting Center

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these reports are you know all over the

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place and it's it's not like somebody's

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trying to do a project here you know

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they're not trying to describe things

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like like a creative writer would and I

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think some of this might be because you

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know lund Strickler admitted that he

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rewrites the reports Wow to make them

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more interesting to the reader oh my

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gosh and he admitted that to Madeleine

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kate from the video podcast measuring

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the syrup

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and so I understand you know he's just

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trying to write it in a way that's

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engaging but I think there's the that's

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a slippery slope there where I mean I

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think the raw reports followed up with

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and I'm sure he's doing this followed up

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with you know calling and you know

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getting a little bit more detail can

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help but yeah those lot of these stories

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they seem they seemed so implausible

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because of the way that they're written

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and they're written in a very like movie

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trope style where somebody says they saw

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the Mothman fly up and you know the

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shoot up like a rocket tear or something

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like that

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and then and then be silhouette

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silhouetted in the full moon and you

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know unfortunately when the full moon is

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reported in these reports Hey that night

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when you said you saw that there wasn't

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a full moon so there you go yeah

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so right I mean so that's what we're

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running into with most of these reports

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I really like to like to see these pared

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down to the ones that really seem the

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most authentic I mean I think that would

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help us a lot to determine you know what

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is reality and and what isn't

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it's all so today you were live what

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what what was with the latest report any

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any significant findings or yeah I

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didn't find I didn't find any

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discrepancies in today's report that the

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only problem with today's report that I

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found as in most of the Chicagoland

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reports is that they come from very very

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populated areas where it's like you know

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this one that I did today was right next

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to YMCA the West Cooke YMCA which is in

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Forest Park Illinois and the person the

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the three witnesses claimed that they

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were looking across the street and it's

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not a wide street and it's a it's very

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residential in that area so you got the

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YMCA and you got apartment building

547
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like everywhere so it just didn't seem

548
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plausible that there could be such a

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huge creatures six and a half feet tall

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you know with these these prominent

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glowing eyes and a 10-foot wingspan and

552
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this one he didn't he didn't just jump

553
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into the sky like most of that this is

554
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the the only discrepancy I see here like

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00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:06,160
most of them the reports say that he

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kind of like rocketed into the sky are

557
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:11,350
like lept into the sky and you know like

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in one fell swoop and this one it sounds

559
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:17,980
like it took them a while to you know to

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00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:21,970
get those wings powered up to get off

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00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:26,049
the ground so that's a little bit of a

562
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:30,010
difference in the report but it's you

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know like the LaCrosse sightings or some

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00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,150
of the the other sightings where I've

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00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:36,159
been able to talk to witnesses in the

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past with you know the Thunderbird

567
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:41,860
sightings they were in more rural areas

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where you might expect that hey if

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somebody sees something yeah I mean it

570
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might just be a handful of people where

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and in this circumstance in like

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probably 99% of the reports from the

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Chicagoland area

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00:28:02,010 --> 00:27:58,510
there are people everywhere you are

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underfoot constantly and so it just

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seems hard to believe that nobody else

577
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:07,570
you know would have seen it at the time

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right you think there would be much more

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of a fervor in the newspapers if

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something of this magnitude was really

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going on in such a overwhelmingly

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00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:20,470
populated area well that that is that is

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different that you did have three

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witnesses you know hopefully they're not

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00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:27,789
coming together as a you know as like

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let's let's do this and let's all do the

587
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:31,809
same story but you just never know yeah

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00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,690
yeah it's hard to know I mean that's

589
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:37,120
that's the difficulty that we face and

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00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:38,140
that's why we really have to work

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00:28:42,810 --> 00:28:40,870
together on this we got a question in

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00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:42,820
chat quick to hear if ma Tran is a

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00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:45,100
harbinger of upcoming disaster wouldn't

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00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:48,840
that associate it with populous areas

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00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:52,460
well I you know the

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00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:56,240
not as populous as Chicago see you know

597
00:29:04,810 --> 00:28:58,610
when the last when when the big one

598
00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:04,820
happened in 67 to the 66 to 67 I mean

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00:29:11,860 --> 00:29:06,980
that's Point Pleasant West Virginia that

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00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:11,870
is a very small area compared to Chicago

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00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:15,000
and you know if you're in Chicago you

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I mean some of these sightings like

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right on the Miracle Mile right on the

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lakefront there I mean all hours and

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00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:53,690
night there's people like you can hardly

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do a video because I've done so many

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00:29:59,260 --> 00:29:58,190
videos there you can hardly do a video

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because you're trying to frame up your

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00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:03,560
shot and like everybody's in it so you

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know yeah and and who knows I mean if

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they're if a few months down the road

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there's a disaster I'm sure that people

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will try to connect it I'm not sure if

627
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:17,270
it is connected in this case but yeah I

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think there's a big difference between

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Point Pleasant West Virginia and Chicago

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Illinois well well you know we're down

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to our last few minutes Allison if you

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ever want to come on and share any

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00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:31,340
research or share any updates on the

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00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:33,650
network here we'd be glad to have you

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00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,620
anytime to get yeah definitely your if

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00:30:40,030 --> 00:30:38,480
you're a fellow cheese head and we've

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got some pretty cool people in this

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00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:43,460
state we have you and we have who is the

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00:30:47,890 --> 00:30:44,900
werewolf lady I forget her name its

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00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:47,900
Linda Godfrey and then you got yeah you

641
00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:50,390
got Mary Sutherland that does the she

642
00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:52,070
does the archaeological stuff and then

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00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:53,870
you got the Malik's that are in the

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middle of State there's a lot of neat

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00:31:01,510 --> 00:30:57,140
people doing some good research in this

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00:31:03,010 --> 00:31:01,520
state yeah thank you so much yeah so you

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00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:03,020
know if you let our listeners know where

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00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:04,220
they can contact you if they see

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00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:05,570
anything in

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00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:08,510
skies and in Wisconsin the Chicagoland

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or even anywhere in the US I mean I mean

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00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:12,770
give him give me your info your YouTube

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00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:14,900
website just give up that information

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00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:18,770
yeah all right you can you can view any

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00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:21,950
of my videos on the local Mothman

656
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:26,360
sightings as well as you know forms with

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00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:29,270
other researchers on this and other

658
00:31:35,910 --> 00:31:33,050
haunted road trips that I've done around

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00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,920
the country as well as paranormal

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00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:38,000
interviews with people around the world

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00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:41,210
you can find those at youtube.com slash

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00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:43,550
Mothman you can also find me at

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00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:48,640
Milwaukee ghosts com other side

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00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:51,940
podcast.com where we do a weekly podcast

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00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:55,690
and of course I have an upcoming

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00:32:02,590 --> 00:31:58,160
paranormal conference in Hawaii in July

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00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:02,600
at Hawaii Paracon dot-com as well

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00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:06,890
wow you are busy I suppose if you're

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00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:08,330
teaching you get the summer off so you

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00:32:12,610 --> 00:32:09,950
can just do go to Hawaii and do a

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00:32:15,370 --> 00:32:12,620
Paracon why not yes why not

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00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:15,380
okay well Allison thanks for coming on

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00:32:19,660 --> 00:32:17,510
tonight and you know and such short

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00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:19,670
notice it's it's nice to have you know

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00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:23,480
III I strive to have great guests on but

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00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:25,370
it's it's special it's it's special to

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00:32:29,410 --> 00:32:26,990
me when we have a Wisconsin night that

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00:32:30,730 --> 00:32:29,420
does some good research too and I strive

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00:32:32,770 --> 00:32:30,740
for getting people on from our home

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00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:32,780
state to that's part of part of my show

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00:32:36,010 --> 00:32:34,190
on trying to get anybody on that's

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00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:36,020
really doing some good work in the state

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00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:37,460
and I appreciate your hard work and I'm

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00:32:40,930 --> 00:32:39,470
sure our listeners do too and you can

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00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:40,940
know where to contact her she gave you

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00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:43,250
all her information and thanks for

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00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:45,920
coming on thank you so much have a great

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00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:47,990
night thank you and good night everybody

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00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:50,180
thanks for the thanks for listening it's

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only a half hour show but next week

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00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:53,360
we'll be on the full hour and a half

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00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:55,630
talk to you soon

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